i love my sister i meet her when she was 10 and i was 14, i love her more than life and i want to spend my life with her, it is not wsexual attraction its just the tremendus love i have towards her and the way she makes me feel.

People fight for rights for gays, and other stuff, but leave Genetic Sexual Attraction out. Its a shame that people think its a taboo.

Its a disgrace whoever posted on 21st May. I know what it is like to experience this syndrome and I am not a pervert. You have no capacity to understand this so I suggest you refrain from your abusive comments

alessia, please email me so we can talk about this further in privacy. I too experience this and need to talk to someone about it in a more objective way

My sister and I have been together for a couple of years now. She is my half sister and although neither of us was adopted, we never knew of each other’s existence until our mother died.

We’re happy together, even if the need to keep our relationship a secret does drag us down sometimes. I just don’t understand what the big deal is. Even if what we are doing is not what other people would choose in our place, why does society demand the right to choose FOR us? I love my sister, both as a sibling and as a spouse (we’re married as far as we’re concerned). The world does not accept our relationship, but that isn’t going to stop us from being together. It is my hope that someday relationships like ours will not be persecuted. Until then we’ll keep our mouths shut and our business to ourselves.

To who posted on the 23 , I to feel the same way you do. its nice to know that there are people out there that feel the same way as I do. It makes people feel not alone. Even if I never knew another soul out there that felt the same as I, I would still feel the same,and know that there is nothing wrong with me.I met my bio father for the first time four years ago,it didn’t happen instantly,but I bonded with him instantly. Eventualy we fell in love,and have went through hell to be together,if it was’nt real love neither one of us could have endured the pain we had to go through to be together,But we did,and still are together living as a married couple(in our hearts). Parts of our life remain secert,but like you ,you have to do what you have to do until society remains ignorant about the subject.People should not judge people on something they know nothing about,I feel sorry for them that they must not know how deep love is .Love is blind . Love knows no boundries.Love knows no prejudice.Love conquers all. There will always be those of us that live in rooms of experience that others can never enter. God Bless and Good Luck.

I’m not attracted to any members of my family, but I have to say that people should lay off those who do incest. Some people are attracted to relatives, genetic and otherwise. These people are just like everyone else.

There’s such double-standards. Gay people are practically *applauded* for their behaviour, yet “incestuals” are condemned. At least the incest people don’t make a big song-and-dance about what they do. At least they don’t shove it in everyone else’s faces, like gays do. And at least they don’t ponce around in stupid TV shows - “Incest Eye for the Father Guy”.

If anyone wants to have a go at the people who posted in this thread, they’re going to have to battle it out with me first.

the biggest problem with incestuous relationships is children. having a child with your brother/sister/mother/father/whatever too-easily causes genetic mutations as well as emotional and psychological trauma (try telling little junior that his mommy is also his aunt… it’s a little freaky). i suppose people should be able to do what they want so long as they don’t bring kids into it (perhaps adoption would be best for those couples set on having kids). also, people involved sexually with a parent were often molested as kids, which kinda suggests more psychological problems. i guess you just gotta wonder, of all the billions of people in the world, why only close relations? i understand a lot of attractions, but genetics seems a little far-fetched. there’s usually some visual stimulation, or maybe sound or smell or feel… but genetics? the relative must be REALLY hot!!

I’m suprised incest between two consenting adult’s is even an issue within the law. I dont see why anyone would want to object against it unless they themselves have no good looking relatives to fuck so what they do in response out of jealously is to try and stop everyone else from having there incestual fun. Many people are grossed out by the thought of incest and that’s all fine and dandy with me, as long as they realise they have been spoon-fed to believe incest is wrong and/or disgusting.

Hi,
You know falling in love with your relative is not something that people probably really want…but it happens…It happenned to me. I didnt know he was my half brother until I had already fallen in love…I thought I was an only child…and then our lives got put together.

First of all “Genetic” in the term GSA does not refer to “genetics”. It refers to the fact that the people involved are “blood related”, ie. brother, sister, mother or father. My biggest problem with this being considered incest is that in every other way the law does NOT recognize a familily bond exists between the two people involved. Remember, one was taken in adoption and the law severed the family conection.
Another consideration, GSA refers more to the emotional content of the relationship and the label is actually misleading since sex is not the most important factor in the clinical view.
Genetic Sexual Attraction actually refers to the very often intense and sometimes overwhelming emotions in the reunion of an ADULT adoptee and his/her biological family.
Yes, sex acts can be a part of this experience. But, they are not required for GSA to be present for one or more people in the “reunion” experience.

I wish I knew what the big deal was. I’d never heard about GSA until just recently. Incest however has been a part of my life since I was a young child. My sister and I began experimenting together when we were in grade school and eventually lost our virginity together as teens. What we did together was never something that either of us had a problem with. We understood the need to keep it a secret, but that didn’t lead us to feel bad about it. It was a safe and fun way for both of us to learn about sex and it created a bond between us that exists to this day, even though the sexual side our relationship ended in our early 20’s.

The problem is that our culture has incest confused with abuse. The base definition of Incest is just sex with a close relative. Nothing in this definition implies abuse. Unfortunately the type of incest that you hear the most about is the abusive kind. As a result our culture is blind to incest that does not involve abuse. Its kind of like how things would be if the only kind of sex you ever heard about was rape.

I think that those who abuse their relatives, especially those who abuse their children, should be punished severely. However those of us who are, or were, involved in consensual incest with other adults (or with our peers if we happen to be teens) should not be persecuted for what we do. We hurt no one and what we do causes no problems provided that the necessary precautions are taken to prevent pregnancy.

Society and its military branch, the police, should spend its time and attention working to stop and prevent abuse, not interfering with the personal lives of people whose sexual choices, while unpopular and unorthodox, in the end harm no one.

Firstly, I would like to point out that I am a psychologist whos has listened to clients’ histories of incest, abusive and mutual consent. What I have found in common between “GSA” individuals is the that the cohort relationship and a non-religious upbringing are apparent. That is, in most cases the incest occurs between brother-sister, rather than say father-daughter. This leads to an interesting hypothesis. The attraction is NOT genetic, it is the sharing of events in eachothers lives.E.G. Siblings split up at a young age. They both would have gone through the pain of separation, it is THIS ( and not DNA) that they have in common and what brings them closer together as cohorts. Couple this with instinctive sexual attraction, whereby you must place aside any religious, cultural or moral standings towards incest,and you have “GSA”. This GSA could happen to any two people who have shared emotional experiences, it is only brought to attention because of the “genetic” link between the couple. Other such couples who meet sharing emotional experiences are overlooked, because they are considered “normal”. A non-religious upbringing means that individuals are a little more “free” from the guilty feelings induced by going against the moral and religious rules that were ingrained when they were children.

One must remember that incest in rich families in Roman and Egyptian times was considered good conduct and essential if a family’s “pure” blood line was to remain intact and not “corrupted” by lesser outsiders. It is only nowadays, in a prominently Christian society that incest is seen as repulsive. It is up to the individual and his or her cultural/religious structure to determine whether they think incestous behaviour is wrong or right and has a postive or negative outcome.

It is amazing how much positive information there is out there on incest relationships. It helps me to see that there isn¥t anything wrong with the way I feel twards my half brother. I have been in love with him for eight years…but have never acted any further than a kiss…because of my guilt. I am married now with children. I so love my family..but I long for him everyday of my life. The yurning is uncontrollable and the pain is unbareable. There was a comment that I read..I think it was from Chris Lees. I feel the way U do about it to honey…I think everyones personal life aughta be thier own…not public. But maybe if we could let America know that we are here to stay..we could be excepted. I think if U let Ur voice be heard…change will follow. I love U tre

It is amazing how much positive information there is out there on incest relationships. It helps me to see that there isn¥t anything wrong with the way I feel twards my half brother. I have been in love with him for eight years…but have never acted any further than a kiss…because of my guilt. I am married now with children. I so love my family..but I long for him everyday of my life. The yurning is uncontrollable and the pain is unbareable. There was a comment that I read..I think it was from Chris Lees. I feel the way U do about it to honey…I think everyones personal life aughta be thier own…not public. But maybe if we could let America know that we are here to stay..we could be excepted. I think if U let Ur voice be heard…change will follow. I love U tre

I, too, fell in love with my half-brother. We met at the age of 50+ and it has been the most joyous time of my life and the most hurtful. I wish he could get past the stigma and guilt of being involved with his half-sister. We were very happy together and love each other very much. We now have separated for awhile, but I think of him constantly.

my daughter and i fell hoplessly in love when she was 12 yrs old there was no sex involved i was 28 yrs old she is now married to another but does not love him we pine for each other every day.love knows no limits.

I can not believe how many other people are experiencing the same situation as me. Thank god that I am not the only one in this world.I too am in love with my half brother. I am 45 and my brother is 37. We are from two different marriages but we share the same father. I did not know that I had a brother until a family secret had surfaced six years ago. When we first met it was the most incredible attraction ever. After our intense embrace and our time talking about our lives we could not help having to meet all the time. We became the best friends ever.We eventually began an intense sexual relationship that makes us feel complete and we love each other very much in fact we are in love not just about love.We have become closer than our spouses. (yes we are both married) we have been in this relationship for just over 4 years. We desire each other greatly and in our hearts we are married. This is complete love.

I know what this genetic attraction syndrome is all about. My sister and I experienced it from our late teens for a period of at least 10 years. We have “cooled off” as distance heals many of these issues. But I would like to say that love and sexual gratification without the aim of having children is fair enough in my opinion.

I don’t know where to begin with this…I have been married for many years and am still in love with my husband whom I have always been faithful to and adore my 2 children. I have a very respectable job and have very high moral standards for myself and my family. Last year I met my birth father. I need to talk to someone. I feel as though I am going crazy - as though I have been torn apart. I can’t stop thinking about him, and my whole body is aching. This is like nothing I’ve ever experienced before. And yes … we did. Please help me. If anyone found out I’d kill myself.

My family has a long, secret, very secret, incestual past. All of it was forced, my grandfather raped my mother, and most of her 7 siblings, her brother raped my aunt. Before I knew any of this I met my cousin Jason for the second time. The first time I met him I was 9 and he was 17. At best he could be described as remote then, I mean what 17 year old boy wants to hang out with a 9 year old relative. When we met the second time everything was different. I was 17 he was 25. We were like one person, it was very, well charming, how we fell in love secretly. Family dinners with his foot nudging mine under the table.

We were both already debauched. We would tell eachother the dirty stories of our past. It felt wonderful to be accepted unconditionally as a whole and not just for parts of myself. We had been seeing eachother on the sly every weekend for about 2 months. We almost fucked that last night and then I decided to think about it. I wanted a real relationship with him. Without secrets, and for that to happen I would have to trade the rest of a rather large family for him. The weekend after that I decided yes I would do this, give up everything for him. Then I found out that week when I was away at school he had been disowned. His mother and his father were vague on why and my aunt patted my hand and gave me a ‘I don’t need to explain anything to you, you already know’ look. Jason simply disappeared into thin air. Most of our family denies having any information of him. Recently I was talking to my Gran and she told me he’s still in NY and doing just fine. I asked if he had married and she said no, even though he is now 31. It’s funny my family quietly accepts all the rape that happened and never spoke of it, just let it lie. Yet when a consensual incestual relationship emerged and they found out it was like someone dropped the a-bomb. I am now engaged to a man I love with all my heart but, Jason and I belonged to eachother. I encourage everyone that reads this to follow their hearts, don’t live with regret.

I have to honestly say that I don’t understand how anyone can be intimate with a blood-relative & think incest is not a good thing, consentual or notor whether GSA really exist or not. I don’t see anything wrong with a 2nd or 3rd cousin because their is very little risk of birth defects if a child is conceived & more than likely you probably didnt grow up with a 2nd or 3rd cousin.
My main issue is that most of society labels a relationship you may have with a steprelative as “incestuous” which is a falsehood, not a fair assessment, & just plain does not make any sense. If you are not blood-related, it is NOT incest…bottomline. It is completely & totally wrong to include “related by marraige” in the definition of incest.
I have a stepsister who I have known for 5-6 years & even though their are some little things that bother me about her, I know deep down inside she is a very sweet & beautiful person & would love to be the man in her life. There is absolutely no way that I could think of her as a sister because she is just too beautiful & simply because she is not.
I think we would be perfect for each other & I see it in her eyes sometimes that she feels the same way. Sometimes you just know by how people look & act around you that it’s obvious that she has an attraction to me but is holding back because of the bullshit taboo & the fear of how her family will react. I have been holding in my feelings for a good year or so (absolute torture) & I think she has been too because of the incest taboo is wrongly carried over to include stepsibling relationship which again, is a crock of shit! I am hoping & praying that when she finally moves out of her mom & my dads’ house & gets her own place, that it will give her the sense of freedom & independency she needs, finally become true to her own feelings & realize that no 1 will love her as much as I do. Then she will have the courage to love me & not care what anybody else says or thinks because realistically & logically there is nothing wrong or incestuous about stepsiblings falling in love & having a loving relationship. I wish I could figure out a way of finding out if in fact she does have similar feelings for me without causing too much drama &/or freaking her out because it is totally killing me inside not knowing for sure. Right now, because of the threat of the wrongful reactions & judgements of our close friends, family members, & society in general, we are being robbed of a potentially loving relationship. What will it take to convince society that a relationship with your stepbrother or stepsister is NOT incestuous & should actually be encouraged because you know there is a much better chance that they are going to treat each other better than the average guy off the street? And why do we use this ridiculous term “step”? I personally would not want to call or think of anybody as mom/dad/sis/bro unless they share the same genes & blood whether you put the word “step” in front of it or not. The only exception is if you where raised by &/or with them since childhood, otherwise it’s just another falsehood that does not make any sense. Thanks for reading…got any good advice for me?

On the previous post I made typo on the first sentence (sorry):

I meant to write:

I have to honestly say that I don’t understand how anyone can be intimate with a blood-relative & think incest is a good thing, consentual or notor whether GSA really exist or not. If you decide to do it, I would suggest that you don’t have kids if you are anymore blood-related than a 2nd cousin although they have recently found that childern conceived by 1st cousins birth defect rates are much lower than originally thought (only 1/10 of a % higher than regular persons having a baby), move to a different state where noone will know that your both related which sucks cause then you will never be able to see or spend time with the rest of your families again unless they are all accepting which is highly unlikely.

I know you all have strong opinions that your incest experiences are not a bad thing & I do empathize with you all that sometimes you just can’t help the feelings that you have. I am not saying “right or wrong” but I personally just could not see myself ever being attracted to a blood-related family member.

I am attracted to my “stepsister” (I never call her that but only by her 1st name) because we are NOT blood-related, we only lived under the same roof for 6 months so we really didn’t grow up together & form that sibling bond, & she is just too beautiful & sweet to think of her as anything else but a girlfriend. I can’t stop thinking about her & I am DYING to know what her true feelings for me are. It’s been absolute emotional tortue for me.

Boy do I live in the dark. I knew incest was taboo and that sex between an adult and a minor was illegal, but I thought incest after 18 yrs old was merely a social taboo.

Well, I have always thought it was legal and so of course I think it OUGHT to be legal. Adam and Eve’s kids plainly mated, and so did Noah’s children.

Being Gay on the other hand is just plain sick and wrong and should not be tolerated (I am overstating that a bit I suppose in an attempt to counter the huge organized effort by gays to shove their lifestyle down our throats.)

Sad thing is, it worked. Ask kids today if they think being Gay is a big deal. They don’t. They may not choose it but they don’t have an aversion to it either. Including my own kids. I never spent time teaching them being gay was wrong, thinking it was plainly self-evident. I guess not, when the media and school cirriculum is teaching them it’s okay.

I know this is about incest not being gay.

Well, the same holds true for incest too, most people just know it isn’t right. It doesn’t feel right, You grow up with a FAMILY relationship and there is no sexual joining. Curiosity and experimentation, sure. But I’d bet that for kids who grow up in the same household it rarely is an attraction to marry.

When I was a kid I’d try to seak a peek at my older sister, and sexually touch my youngest sisters, when I was very fairly young. That was all curiosity. I never once fell in love or thought I’d want to marry them, or have sex. Heh, now that I remember back my younger brother and I “played nasty” and would include a very minor sexual touch too. That happened 3 or 4 times but was not a regular thing. If I remember right we were in early grade school.

I didn’t have sex till I was graduated from high school, and had planned to wait till marriage, but…

And my younger sister did not have sex till she was married age 22, the sexual revolution of the 70’s, not persuading her to do otherwise.

Well glad to be catching up on what’s legal and what isn’t. But if anyone tried to legalize adult incest I think people would be crazy to not support it. I think most people would know it is wrong FOR THEM and that is enough. no need to make it illegal. But for those who do fall in love why stop them?

The chance of genetic mutation is a weak argument. Instances of incestuos marriages would be uncommon enough you would think. And from what I am reading in the forums the attraction happens most often with half-brother / half-sister, and so there is not much genetic risk with that, if any.

But I’m no genetic scientist either.

I have a different sort of GSA. I used to try to see my mom naked when I was little, just because she was a woman. However, I became fascinated with the idea that I had so much physically in common with her. I fell in love with the idea of the most potent form of intimacy. We already had the unique male-female bond of being mother and son, but by making our relationship sexual, we could really enjoy the most potent and loving relationship that a man and woman could ever have. There is no other way to have such a powerful connection with a woman. It is not lust or power or anything else that drives this - just love. Unfortunately, she did not feel the same way. I tried to explain this to her, and she rebuffed me at age 18. Now I am happily married with children, and I love my wife more than anything, but I always have a special place for my mother. Even if it is not a special as it could have been.

you people have no understanding of the family dynamic . my family is the one place in the world i can go and feel some what safe if sex with any of them happened i would no longer feel safe that doesnt mean i dont love them i just dont want to have intercourse with any of them the thought of it creeps my skin. YUK YUK and triple YUK.
i did have a something with a cousin but i said a big NO to sex with him he now has ahappy relationship with a lovely women and a new baby in a another state and i am happily single seeking mr right you can find happiness sexually outside your family its so refreshing when you click with someone new its exciting and crazy and sweet all at ounce . I would never have that with a family member cousin or not . i did have a little crush on that cousin but in families it is normal when testing out your curiousity as a child or young teenager it gets complex and twisted when you go against all good judgement and natural instinct just to satisfy a lust which goes away ounce sense seeps, make the choice which seems right for you i still think incest needs to remain illegal we need these laws to keep some social order. i think the obsession with incest and the attraction to engage in it is its dark and forbiden nature i have came to realise this through the study of this subject.

I’m not convinced that there is such a thing as Genetic sexual attraction. I’m a normal 22 year old woman who has had a loving relationship with my father for the past three years. Why don’t I think of it as genetic? Because that would imply thet there is something WRONG with us - there isn’t! We love each other and want to be together.

I think the main problem is that people think that incest = abuse, which is stupid IMO. It is equally as silly as sex = rape. People only think these things because they are taught to, and dare not do anything other than what society tells them to - they are trapped while maintaining the illusion of being free and open minded.

More to the point, I don’t think it should be illegal. I believe that the only sexual crimes are pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, and of course, rape.

Puppy

Keep pushing the line back on decency and morals. Every time you find somthing that attracts you, or pleasures you, or makes you feel good, or that you want, no matter what, justify it. make others feel awkward and out of place because blaming yourself for anything or seeking help is out of the question, because you are “ok” and everyone is “just persecuting you”. because you are special, you are the new pioneers of the free world, to make everything ok again, and to silence anything against you; justify your actions, its ok, you’re only having sex with your relatives.whats so wrong with that? and if that dosent bother you, or if it does, and you just hide from it, because you have serious emotional problems, its ok. really. just keep your chins high and dont seek assistance. If you ignore it and say everyone just “dosent understand”,it will just go away and the evil,mean people of the world will see the light and will adjust to your beliefs. you’re right, really. —-arent you?

i have never had any relations with any of my relatives, or have “genetic sexual attraction syndrome.” I have no good looking relatives. lol. but damn, wish i did. i have some friends that are into that. and just hearing about it is so damn erotic.

It feels so incredibly good to see that people have experience the same as i have. For 5 years my half-brother and i have had sex and kept our relationship a secret from everyone. I love him and it breaks my heart that he loves our cousin. He confessed to me that he loves our cousin after we had had sex…and i was shocked…i swear i wounldn’t have been involved w/ him if i knew that they two had something in the past. My cousing doesn’t know that i slept w/ him nor i want her to know…it’s for the best. It’s a big mess…Even though i still love him …i am helping them be together and be happy and it kills me. Sometimes i feel that i gave up on love but then i say to himself that i am just being selfish…and that he doesn’t love me but loves her. Our family knows everything and they have tried seperating us…but they haven’t succeeded.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
People will say anything to get out of jail!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
People will say anything to get out of jail!

WHAT ABOUT “STEPSIBLINGS?” WHEN IS A RELATIONSHIP/ROMANCE JUSTIABLE BETWEEN STEPSIBLINGS?

I have had a several sexual experiences with my sister and felt really depressed in case i had just ruined my life.We were just experimenting. Should i feel ashamed of this?

In answer to the above question, I am very attracted to my step-brother, who is five years older than myself. He has moved out of home now, but I see him quite often, and I think about him all the time. I don’t know what to do. What does anyone else think about this situation?

To Stella:

Well if the following is true: (A) he’s moved out (B) you’re both of legal age & (C) he feels the same way about you

I would say GREEN LIGHT…Go for it!!!

I would no longer use the word “stepbrother” when speaking of him anymore & he should never refer to you as “stepsis” either. And when people ask questions like, “how did you 2 meet?” All you need to tell them is that you know the same people. Since you are not at all blood-related to each other at all, this doesn’t even fall under the category of “Incest”. It simply isn’t incest at all. Shit, your particular situation realistically shouldn’t even be posted on this forum. This forum pertains to actual blood-related sexual relationships which is incest. It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever that “stepsiblings” are even considered as such.

I banged my sister one night when some guys brought her home from a party. There was a knock on the door, and these guys were dragging my passed-out, drugged up and drunk sister up the walkway. They dropped her at the front door and said “uh, does she live here?” I said “yeah” and they took off, leaving her on the ground. She was wearing this really short, tight dress and her panties were gone. I scooped her up and placed her on the bed in her bedroom. While i did that, her dress rose up to her hips. I took one look at her shaved muff and could see cum oozing from it. I could tell that she had been fucked multiple times during the night. I got an immediate hard on and thought about just beating off on her. Then I thought, “what the hell? what’s one more dick?” so I spread her thighs, and she murmered something. I shoved it in and it was already wet and a little gooey. I stroked away for about 25 minutes with all i had, panting and sweating like crazy. she was moaning and panting herself but never opened her eyes to see who was fucking her. She probably just thought she was still at the party and someone else was just taking their turn with her. I shot my load deep into her and wiped my cock on her lips, she began to suck on my dick and licking the cum from it. then she rolled over and went to sleep. I felt a little weird, but the next morning she sobered up and had no clue as to what had happened. I don’t think it was a genetic thing, I think it was just available pussy?

I want to have sex with my half sister, we didnt meet till i was 19 and have been friends since then (im now 25) but never really brother and sister, we smokeweed together and party and go to shows and stuff, we are more like friends, but she is so attractive and picks real assholes to date, i would be so much better for her if she moved in with me and let me take care of her and love her. comments questions anyone ?

It was a relief to find this web site. I met my bio dad 3yrs ago we have shared alot of happiness and heartache during this time. We would love to hear from others in our position. [YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR.]

It’s a relief to find a website dealing with this issue at last. I’ve been in torment for a while now. I met my brother for the first time earlier this year after being separated at birth. We fell in love and have now started a relationship. It is the most amazing sex, but that is only a very small part of it - we are linked emotionally and are deeply in love. We know that people will never understand, which hurts us both, and we have already been through hell and back but have come out of it stronger and more determined than ever. I was married when we met, but have since separated from my husband and am in the process of divorcing.

I’d be interested to hear from other people going through a similar situation, just so I know we’re not alone.

I fell in love with my half brother as soon as i saw him as soon as i first met him. me and him love each other and i’am only 16 and he is 21. We have already had sex and done many other things. We continue to hide that we love eachother and just act like brother and sister. but i wonder if we could ever be together and have people know that we are together and not care. Me and him have talked about having babies and i never knew that because you had the same genes it can make the baby not turn out right until my friend told me this.. it really hurts me because i really wanted to have babies with him. Me and him are together as much as possible, but we do fight often and we get jealous alot of eachother. i just hope it all works out. i hope we get to be together! and all i want is for it to be out in the open without people getting upset. but i don’t know if that will ever happen.

I had sex with my step sister when we were in our teens, My dad married her mum and they moved into our house, She was 15 at the time and i was 17. She was really beautiful from the first time i saw her, and we seemed to flirt from the begining, but when no one else was around it would be so much worse, we really flirt, and then one day we did it, our parents were away we were in my room and i just couldnt help it, and beforei knew it we were having sex in my bed, she was still a virgin at the time to which i felt alittle guilty about but on the other hand i was so gentle with her and i made sure she really had a good first time, i know she enjoyed it becuase after that she couldnt get enough for a while, we used to use every opotunity we had, everytime no one was around we’d be doing it. Amazing we never got caught, at one point i swear we were doing it atleast once a day, if we couldnt get time alone she’d sneek into my room at night and we do stuff quietly then,
i really enjoyed being with her and the sex was the best ive ever had.

So Dave how old are you 2 now? And why did’t you guys land up together or get married or something like that?

It is again amazing to see how incest is so spread around the country. I myself have had this feeling.The crazy thing about is that it two people. My sister and aunt. My sister for some reason seems more emotional. One night I stayed with her in a motel and and rubbed her back for a while, I keep going lower until I could almost feel her pantyline. And that was it, I couldnt go through with it. Her kids were in the other bed so, it wasnt like we could actually had a chance to probably do anything. What I want to know is wheter she was actually getting turned on. When I was rubbing her back it looked like if she probably scratching or actually fingering herself, I cant make out for sure.Which leads to my aunt.One night my sister,cousin, and a couple aunts went to a bar. I was already buzzing and my aunt has a nice pair a breasts, I mean she older than me of course, but I guess it was the alcohol talking.I ended telling her “Ill fuck the shit out of you” and she said “really”. It was then that my other aunt saw getting close and intervened.My sister saw and she ended up leaving us there.The next day my aunt called my mom and told her everything.I guess my culture is probably non tolerant of the incest.My sister ended up leaking out the information of what happened in the motel to my mother. The funny thing about is that she told my mom she didn’t want to tell but it probably was appropiate. My mom ended up asking what exactly it was we did in the hotel room. Even though it was just a backrub she didn’t tell her what i tried to do. One of the funniest things is that I think my sister now knows how i have that wierd feeling about her.I still remeber how she would come over to our apartment when I would be alone and she would be buzzing and it would be late and she would come by to see if I had any beer to drink while her boyfriend would be in the car. I remember one night when she was leaving I gonna give her a kiss on her check I moved really close to her mouth and kissed, sort of.
Ya its crazy. I mess around with girls you know, but for some odd reason I had or sort have a special need for it. It is crazy.
Anyway, if anybody has advice or what I should do please feel free to drop a comment on the post. I mean if my sister or aunt offered me oral sex or sex, I probably would take the offer.
Any advice or anything please. Thanks for your time.

I’m starting to think that most of these posts aren’t authentic. That they are meant to titillate the reader & are mostly fictional.
And for the persons on here that posted their opinions condeming incest, more than likely you have thought about it or considered doing it yourself otherwise you would of not have found this site.

And as far as having a relationship of any kind with a stepsibling, that doesn’t fit under the definition nor the category of the word incest.

most of thesse posts are authentic because they can happen in this very world and they are real not just fictional. incest is just sex and sex is the most powerfull force of this world where we are. we all are came out of it and after that what we do in our life that too are related with just sex .all other things such as socity , law , moral value ,good, war , peace, religion every things are by rpoducts of sex.
some lucky guy have good and safe sex in their life and some unlucky guy are having bad sex in their life . it shows that sex is not just universal as it should be . in my life i too experinced bad sex attempt and suffering from the consiquences of the result . the remaining traumatic story i will of cource put here later because time is running out right now. yes yes sex is the most powerfull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and and how to deal with it >>>>>>>>>>>>.we need that programe inbuilt right at the moment of our birth…………….LOL……………….buy for now

Please learn how to spell & use sentence structure before you post again so we can understand what you are saying next time

Also, I think the post about 12 above this one isn’t authentic. Otherwise, he should be reported for raping his own sister

GSA or whatever you sick people call it is not an actual affliction, it’s just a cop out for your fucked up lives. Go get some psychological help. Incest is against the laws of nature. It causes bad genetics in your children and causes deformities or mutations of the human body. Who the fuck wants to carry their Daddy’s severely mentally retarded child for 9 months? How dare you people say it’s love. It’s evil, pure evil. I’m not even a bible thumping Christian, but I will tell you incest will lead you straight to hell, where you belong. Wow, I just want to wipe you from the face of the earth. I would rather lay with a 1000 whores than fuck my sister. You people should burn at the stake for your crimes against humanity.

First of all, i think incest is morally wrong. Though I think Most people if not all (including males & females)has fanatsized about it at 1 time or another, if nothing more. Just look at all the adult movies that came out during the sexual revolution when everybody was entertaining the concept of free love & sex. Every other porn movie had some kind of incest in it in fom the early 70’s to the early 80’s.

Deformities & mental retardation occurring in childern conceived from incest have been greatly overstated & exaggerated according to recent studies done by scientists. Still doesn’t make it morally right. But like I stated before, everybody has had at least incest fantasies including you Critter. There’s a reason why you discovered this forum…mostly because the thought of incest has entered your mind.

it’s ok to have sex with your half-sister,step-mom,step-sister.there non really relative.

Half-sister you still share the same blood & genes because you still have either the same father or the same mother so i completely disagree.

Step-Mom is not OK also for a different issue. Yes, you & you’re step-mom do not share the same blood or genes at all, but to have sex with your father’s wife/girlfriend or your mom’s husband/boyfriend is called betrayal. BETRAYAL in the lowest form morally because you are betraying your own parent. There’s no question that that is immoral regardless of any circumstance.

Step-sister is someone that you don’t share any blood or genes with at all. The only way that sleeping with your step-sister is questionable is if you have grown up together since childhood because more than likely you both would have bonded like siblings. But there are some exceptions to. For instance, go rent the movie, Lovers Of The Artic Circle…this movie touches on 2 step-sibs who grow up together but are pretty much soulmates & in love & therefore refuse to think of each other or call each other brother or sister.
In most cases, the “stepsibs” have not grown up with each other at all. I’m 31 female & my father just got remarried to a woman a few years ago. SHe has a son who is only 17 right now. In a few years, once he’s a little more mature, i would not hesitate to have sex with him if he wanted to. We did not grow up together & therefore I see him right now as a friend only but would consider more (lovers) sometime down the road. I would even consider having a long term relationship with him in the future.

So as far as i’m concerned, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with “stepsiblings” dating, married, having sex, etc…& there shouldn’t ever be anything wrong with it

Here are some links regarding the actual risk (very low indeed) of genetic problems arising from sex between closely related persons:

http://www.cuddleinternational.org/genetics/overview.html

http://fire.biol.wwu.edu/trent/trent/firstcousins.pdf

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/columns/fl.grossman.incest.04.09/

Whether it results in mental or physical problems in childern or not is an issue that isn’t relative to whether having an intimate relationship with a blood relative is immoral or not. The fact that it doesn’t result in birth defects still soesn’t justify it as morally right or not…that’s still debatable.

And forget about cousins. What about the risk of these problems if a child is conceived from a father knocking up his daughter, or a mother getting knocked up by her own son, or a brother knocking up his full bio sister? The risks i would think would be more (maybe a lot more) than with cousins? This is what i’m curious about. Any one have any legimate stats & answers on this?

I agree with Terry… I have 2 hot twin sisters… Sure I’ve thought about having sex with them… but I’ve never actually asked or even attempted. Also I have a really hot step sister too. It’s kind of hard to say though.. cause she isn’t really a step sister, because my mom and her dad aren’t married, they just live together. SO technically that’s fair game but I’m not sure I would even do that. But don’t judge people because they have sex with sisters/brothers… as long as it’s not forced I see nothing wrong with it personally. but remember, Gotta Wear the Glove to get the Love…

There’s a set of adult movies that feature 2 Russian twin sisters that are pretty hot. The double team guys, but don’t really get near or do anything with each other…it’s a total tease.
The thought of a guy having a 3some with his 2 hot twin sisters is so naughty & taboo, but such a big turn on! You should hang out & party with your twin sisters &/or your step sis. After a few drinks, just see who loosens up, then start flirting a little. Who knows, you may get lucky!

“I agree with Terry… I have 2 hot twin sisters… Sure I’ve thought about having sex with them… but I’ve never actually asked or even attempted. Also I have a really hot step sister too. It’s kind of hard to say though.. cause she isn’t really a step sister, because my mom and her dad aren’t married, they just live together. SO technically that’s fair game but I’m not sure I would even do that. But don’t judge people because they have sex with sisters/brothers… as long as it’s not forced I see nothing wrong with it personally. but remember, Gotta Wear the Glove to get the Love…”

Even if your mom was or becomes married to her dad, so what!? It’s still fair game cuz you are still not related. To me their is no such thing as being “related by marriage.” Being “related” has only to do with blood relatives as far as i’m concerned. My dad got remarried 5-6 yrs ago to a women who has 4 kids…i see them as good friends only.

Incest is stereotyped that the only people that do it are redneck fat ugly toothless trailor park people (you know, the Jerry Springer types) who live in the backwoods of certain southern states by most (if not all) people. I really wonder if it’s common in rich or well to do families (attractive people) that live in places like New York or California. Can anyone prove that there’s a ton of attractive, articulate & educated well-to-do people that are also involved in consensual incest?

I am reallly, really glad that I found this website. When I was younger (much younger, like 5-8 yrs.old) my sister and I would experiment with each other (by the way, I’m a chick). Our family just brushed it off as young curiosity and so did we. We never speak of it. Now, neither of us are ashamed of any of that, nor are we attracted to each other or other women. I’m straight as hell, can’t help it. Just the thought of being sexual with my sister or anyother woman freaks me the hell out. LMAO. Sorry. But what bothers the hell out of me is my sexual attraction (or former sexual attraction) to my male cousins. I’m a former nympho. I’ve had to realize and admit that to myself. I was completely obsessed with having sex and I did so constantly. I’ve gotten over it but, I find myself slightly regressing from time to time. My family is pretty wealthy, financially speaking. We live in Long Island, New York. So, yeah, Ryan, we’ve got it too. LOL. Anyway, I have a REALLY good-looking family (seriously) and it’s also very very large. I was always meeting new and very good-looking cousins. The thing was that when I’d find out that they were my cousins I’d become ridiculously attracted to them. They always reciprocated the attraction. One of my cousins “fell in love” with me. However, for me it was purely sexual attraction. I wanted the thrill of it. One night, while on vacation, I had sexual intercourse with one of my cousins while my sister, who was drunk, slept in the same room (this was the first and the last time that I had ever actually had sex with a relative) and the sex was really great. I felt so horribly disgusting the next day. He, however, acted like nothing happened which, surprisingly, helped alot. After that happened it pretty much ended my incestual fetish. This attraction of mine was obviously a consequence of my nymphomania plus that whole “forbidden fruit” complex and once I had actually had sex with one of my cousins I didn’t need to be so obsessed with it anymore. But everytime that anything would happen, even a simple look, touch or kiss, I felt horrible guilt afterwards. I couldn’t bear it all. I still feel disgusting when I think about it. I’m not so sure how exactly to go about accepting it within myself. Oh and I’m afraid that another one of my cousins is attracted to me. The way he looks at me, talks to me and how he reacts to touching memakes me wonder (touching in this case= a hug or a friendly kiss on the cheek or lips). The thing about it is that I’m afraid that my incestual attraction is coming back. What in the hell do I do to quell these feelings?

You are probably very hot & i got a turned on just reading your story even though i myself couldn’t bring myself to ever do the same with my cousins, except maybe my mom’s cousin’s daughter who’s pretty cute, but she’s my 3rd cousin so i guess that realistically is no big deal. I know a couple who are 2nd cousins & are happily married. He’s an architectual engineer & she’s a school teacher.
Anyways, Brookr the only thing i could think of is you & me hooking up. You can close your eyes & pretend i’m your cousin. Shit i don’t care if you even shout out his name. After a few times you’ll probably want to stop that & open your eyes cuz i’m no so bad looking myself. People have told me that i resemble the looks of Tom Cruise & i live in the same state as you do by the way.

um, geez. Sorry, I wasn’t trying to arouse any sort of feelings or turn you on or anything. I was genuinely looking for some sort of advice or something. I can’t tell anyone about what happened and I can’t talk to anyone about my hopefully former problem. That’s why I was glad that I found this site, because the internet, while impersonal, is still helpful. I just don’t want what happened then to happen again.

Oh and it was actually my mother’s first cousin’s son. So, I guess according to you, Ryan, it wasn’t really a big deal but, it’s still gross in my opinion. And I haven’t actually been able to accept what happened. Especially the fact that my sister was in the same room. It all bewilders me and yet it’s like I couldn’t help it.

Sorry Brooke i didn’t mean to offend you or anything.
Actually Brooke in all honesty he’s your second cousin & the genes are soo spread apart by then that it’s biologically the same as having sex with a guy who isn’t at all related by blood. It doesn’t technically or realistically fall under the category of incest & shouldn’t even be as labeled a such. Plus more than likely you 2 haven’t really grown up with each other. So really shouldn’t be a big deal at all. I know this to be fact based on what i read & what i’ve seen like the guy i know who’s an architectual engineer & his wife school teacher (very successful & good looking people) are 2nd cousins. They have 2 kids now that are perfectly normal & healthy.
So you feeling of being grossed out & guilty more than likely has more to do with other people’s harsh reactions & wrongful judgements more than anything, which isn;t fair to you. The only mistake you may have made was the fact that you acted out your sexual attraction on a guy with a couple one night stands who you more than likely knew that he was interested in you for anything more than that because more than likely he’s also “affected” & worried what other’s will do, say, & think. If you guys did the whole courting thing, gradually fell in love, started to seriously be committed & date each other, it would be the same as doing it with any other guy.
Now if you were banging your biorelated brother, sister, mother, father, &/or 1st cousin…that’s an issue of incest & that’s where the questions of morality & genetic deformities in childern come into play.
Stepsiblings, 2nd & 3rd cousins are simply not included based on the fact that scientific studies show that the genes have separated apart enough to be the same as any other person you meet at school, work, on the streets, etc.
Hey & i was kind of joking…my point was to find a man who won’t judge you for those thoughts & actions & will also be open enough to role play those kind of things. Therefore you can get the tension & release of those thought by pretending your doing your 2nd cousin without having to really do him. It just like having a favorite celebrity that you are attracted to & fantazing that you are doing that celebrity while your doing your boyfriend. There’s no harm in it as long as you don’t make it a constant habit & as long as you realize when it’s all over that it was your boyfriend that you were doing. I know it’s hard to find a guy who would be that open minded, but they’re out there. I know cause i’m 1 of them.
Let me know what you think. Good luck!

Hey, Ryan, thanks for recanting what you said earlier. You turned out not to be the horrifying douche-bag that I thought you might have been. LMAO. Although your joking was a bit insensitive, I didn’t take offense. Anyhow, I get what you’re saying regarding him being my third cousin and whatever but, in my eyes it doesn’t change the fact that he was my cousin. It still disgusts me that I would be sexually attracted to him mostly for that reason. I guess I just had to test myself… see how far I could push the boundaries. I believe that that whole forbidden fruit complex more than explains everything. I knew that I could get other guys but, a relative was supposed to be untouchable and I guess I needed to see if I could snag him, you know? I guess it technically isn’t wrong what we did (by the way, we only had sex once, it wasn’t “a couple of one night stands”, just one) but it all still seems wrong in my eyes mostly because my motive seems disgusting. Like the other people who posted on here have this genuine affection and even love for one another that caused them to commit incest or to want to commit incest. However, mine was not only purely sexual but it was also selfish. Anyway, I just don’t want that to happen again. I don’t think that it will but, there’s always the chance that it might. And with another good-looking cousin being attracted to me (oh and yeah, I know for sure now. He’s tried to make his move but I refused him), I am just afraid that I might be tempted. I see what you’re saying, about role playing with a boyfriend or something, but that would just make me feel even more disgusting and I wouldn’t want to involve some poor unwitting boyfriend up in my issues anywho. But thanks for the suggestion anyway. If I ever have the guts to, I’ll try it sometime. lol.

okay, i went to google.com and typed in GSA looking for gay-straight alliance (which also has the initials GSA) and this was one of the things that popped up. What exactly is this so-called Genetic Sexual Attraction? And do you people really believe that it is an actual genetic ailment? I mean, to me it’s gross. I couldn’t ever really experiment with a brother of mine or a first-cousin, much less have actual sex with them. That is, in my opinion, disgusting. But it’s been happening for centuries all around the world. Not just in the deep south.

If you just meet a long lost brother or sister or cousin, what have you after many years & never grew up with each other or saw each other on a regular basis, then that’s where GSA can take place.

Brooke, the only issue is that you acted out on this urge. How old are you anyways? You’re obviously “affected” because there’s absolutely no reason why you should feel guilty’, grossed out, or ashamed.
It’s not the same as having sex with your brother, sister, mother, father or 1st cousin unless you grew up together since childhood & formed a family bond, which is rare of “2nd cousins” & even “stepsiblings” because most of the time parents remarry later in their childerns life. So that being said, they are realistically & technically nothing more than good friends.
A lot of people are pro-incest on this forum i think. I am not but i don’t consider your situation incest. It’s the same as having a 1 night stand with a friend or something like that.
You have been preconditioned to feel that way because the incest taboo has been wrongly carried over into situations & circumstances like yours & they clearly should not be.

This is my stance on incest:
Molesting or having intercourse with closely blood related family members is as close as the narcissist gets to having sex with the self.
Moreover, the narcissist perceives sex in terms of annexation. The partner is “assimilated” and becomes an extension of the narcissist, a fully controlled and manipulated object. Sex, to the narcissist, is the ultimate act of depersonalization and objectification of the other. He/she actually masturbates with other people’s bodies.

Having sex with a first-degree blood relative is like having sex with oneself. It is a Narcissistic act and like all acts Narcissistic, it involves the objectification of the partner, whether consensual or not. The incestuous Narcissist over-values and then devalues his sexual partner. He/she is devoid of empathy (cannot see the other’s point of view or put himself in her shoes).
The incest taboo was and is aimed at one thing in particular: to preserve the family unit and its proper functioning, which Brooke doesn’t have anything to do with you & your 2nd cousin.
Incest is more than a mere manifestation of a given personality disorder or a paraphilia (incest is considered by many to be a subtype of pedophilia). It harks back to the very nature of the family. It’s closely entangled with its functions and with its contribution to the development of the individual within it.
The family is an efficient venue for the transmission of accumulated property as well as information - both horizontally (among family members) and vertically (down the generations). The process of socialization largely relies on these familial mechanisms, making the family the most important agent of socialization by far.
The family is a mechanism for the allocation of genetic and material wealth. Worldly goods are passed on from one generation to the next through succession, inheritance and residence. Genetic material is handed down through the sexual act. It is the mandate of the family to increase both by accumulating property and by marrying outside the family (exogamy)& technically your 2nd, 3rd cousin or stepbrother/stepsister who you probably never grew up with or lived under the same roof as long as from childhood to late teens or adulthood.
Clearly, incest prevents both. It preserves a limited genetic pool and makes an increase of material possessions through intermarriage all but impossible.
One of the main businesses of the family is to teach to its members self control, self regulation and healthy adaptation. Family members share space and resources and siblings share the mother’s emotions and attention. Similarly, the family educates its young members to master their drives and to postpone the self-gratification which attaches to acting upon them. This is the real issue Brooke & it real isn’t a combination of this issue & the issue of incest because in your case it wasn’t incest
The incest taboo conditions children to control their erotic drive by abstaining from ingratiating themselves with members of the opposite sex within the same family. There could be little question that incest constitutes a lack of control and impedes the proper separation of impulse (or stimulus) from action.
Additionally, incest probably interferes with the defensive aspects of the family’s existence. It is through the family that aggression is legitimately channeled, expressed and externalized. By imposing discipline and hierarchy on its members, the family is transformed into a cohesive and efficient war machine. It absorbs economic resources, social status and members of other families. It forms alliances and fights other clans over scarce goods, tangible and intangible.
This efficacy is undermined by incest. It is virtually impossible to maintain discipline and hierarchy in an incestuous family where some members assume sexual roles not normally theirs. Sex is an expression of power – emotional and physical. The members of the family involved in incest surrender power and assume it out of the regular flow patterns that have made the family the formidable apparatus that it is.
These new power politics weaken the family, both internally and externally. Internally, emotive reactions (such as the jealousy of other family members) and clashing authorities and responsibilities are likely to undo the delicate unit. Externally, the family is vulnerable to ostracism and more official forms of intervention and dismantling.
Finally, the family is an identity endowment mechanism. It bestows identity upon its members. Internally, the members of the family derive meaning from their position in the family tree and its “organization chart” (which conform to societal expectations and norms). Externally, through exogamy, by incorporating “strangers”, the family absorbs other identities and thus enhances social solidarity (Claude Levy-Strauss) at the expense of the solidarity of the nuclear, original family.
Exogamy, as often noted, allows for the creation of extended alliances. The “identity creep” of the family is in total opposition to incest. The latter increases the solidarity and cohesiveness of the incestuous family – but at the expense of its ability to digest and absorb other identities of other family units. Incest, in other words, adversely affects social cohesion and solidarity.
Lastly, as aforementioned, incest interferes with well-established and rigid patterns of inheritance and property allocation. Such disruption is likely to have led in primitive societies to disputes and conflicts - including armed clashes and deaths. To prevent such recurrent and costly bloodshed was one of the intentions of the incest taboo.
All this stuff isn’t relevant when it comes to so called 2nd or 3rd cousins or stepsiblings

Brooke, I think I may be able to suggest what might be wrong with you… or why it is that you did such a thing. And, my darling, Ryan, I am not a doctor yet or anything of that sort. However, I do not believe that Brooke was, or is, anymore narcissistic than you are. From what I read she already said that she understands what her problem was. She needed to test the boundaries and cross them to prove to herself, at least, that she was in fact, superior to and therefore excempt from the so-called natural “laws” against incest. The reason she felt and still does feel this guilt is mostly due to the fact that the idea of incest being taboo has been reinforced to her from childhood, if not by her family, then by American society in general via its moral and cultural mores and values as well as its moral prohibitions and prescriptions. That’s how it is for all of us. That is the reason why these laws exist against incest and also the reason why so many people are so appaulled by the act. Now, it is really quite obvious that what was bothering her so much was that she couldn’t figure out why it was, or is, that she, or anybody else for that matter, would be so inspired too carry out such an act. Why it was, or is, that a person, such as herself, would allow such a desire to cross boundaries to transcend and overwhelm her conscience. Sigmund Freud has a theory on conscience. That every human being has a three tier conscience that consists of an Id (or our inate and most primitive desires and impulses), a Super-ego (our highest and most ideal moral sense as implied via our culture and discernment) and an Ego which is the sense that mediates, in a way, between our Id and our Super-ego. Because of the existence of the Super-ego, the Id can never take primary control, therefore human beings do not act like savage beasts when mentally sound. However, due to the Ego, our Super-ego can never completely control our behavior either, otherwise we would all be superfluously uptight, right-wing type conservative people (aka Old-Age Republicans such as Justice Reinquist). Where I believe the issue lies is with the fact that her behavior was a reflection of her Id, or her natural desires. Her Id should not have been able to take over so completely to the point that it did if she was sound in mind and body. What I personally believe is that she had desensitized herself to the idea of incest by justifying and even defending it to herself if not to others, much like the people on this website do by saying that they are in love and other such things. Basically she had forced herelf to believe that incest was not nearly as taboo as society had implied and she was therefore able to allow herself to commit such an act as incest. She had, in fact allowed herself to transform her sense of discernment to the point that something that had been instilled in her as wrong, incest, was no longer completely wrong. Incest transcended the line between Id and Ego because of her justifications for it. The people on this website have justified their incestual desires and behaviors through their constant defense of being in “love” with their incestual partner. By them convincing themselves that they are, in fact, in love they are justifying their wrong behavior with a right because love is viewed in every human society as something good and right. People who commit a murder, aside form actual cases of self-defense, will likely say that they acted in self-defense or out of fright. For instance, look at the Menedez brothers. Men who rape women will likely justify their behavior by saying that the victim “was asking for it”, that she was provocative or suggestive, or that she was seducing him and then said no to sex, or they’ll say that they were drunk. The murderer in this instance as well as the rapist are defending behaviors that they formerly viewed as wrong with certain societal justifications. That is not to compare incest to rape or murder neither am I implying that some of these people do not actually love each other. It is very possible that a brother or a father can fall in love with his biological sister or daughter whom they’ve never met before. They are more like strangers or friends rather than relatives.

Also, Ryan, hun, your information is very enlightened although it is barely accurate to truth. The information, which was obviously not yours was gotten from a website group discussion on Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Very unoriginal darling, it wasn’t your point of view at all. Anyone who wants to view what other people have to say about the information that Ryan plagiarized can visit (you might have to copy and paste this into your browser)

http://groups.msn.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=162911&LastModified=4675517793856294065

you can also click on the “Beware the Children” link to see what the actual and original author has to say on the issue. It was in Message 9 out of 15, posted on 4/12/2005 at 7:35am.
Sorry, Ryan, I didn’t mean to blow up your spotlight but, I just can’t stand a person who plagiarizes. Anywho, Brooke, I hope that I didn’t come across judgemental or anything. I’m not bashing incest in any way nor am I trying to degrade you because of what happened between you and your cousin. I am simply trying to in my own way, provide an answer or something to your question. What can you do to quell your feelings? Well, try to simply stop justifying or defending what you did completely. Also try your best not to let tourself be influenced by those that tell you that what you did was not wrong. Although what you did was technically not wrong, your reasons behind doing them were. It’ll be very hard, I’m sure but, if you can manage to stop defending or justifying what it was that you did as well as the reasons for it, you should get over your constant feelings of terrible guilt, and you shouldn’t feel disgusting anymore. Telling yourself that what you and your cousin did was okay because of your curiousity or anything like that is only trying to deny and therefore run away from the actuality of what happened. Running away or denying the importance of any personal issue will only make your personal anguish worse. In time, if you can stop these justifications and such, you will realize that what happened is in the past and is just that, a thing of the past. You must let it go, that way you can address it again in the furture without these feelings of self-flaggelating disgust.
I hope I helped at least slightly.
And Ryan, my darling boy, you can rest assured that ALL of what I said is completely original and of my own vocation and according to my personal and vocational studies. So, you look like Tom Cruise? Ha ha. Yeah right, that’s always nice.

Thanks Rebecca, that actually did help to clarify things a bit! And I didn’t take offense. I understod what you were trying to say. I’ll have to think about things a bit further but, I will most def take what you said into full consideration. Thanks again! And I went to your page on Myspace. You seem really awesome! I mean that as a genuine compliment… you seem too be very intelligent. You’re a Psychology major which explains the way you speak and where you get your information from. Oh, by the way, I’m from Long Island too but I’m in all the way in the Hamptons which basically means that we shouldn’t be running into each other on the streets or anything anytime soon. LOL. At least I hope not! I sent you a message. PLEASE don’t reveal this whole thing to anyone! I can’t afford for any of my friends to know about this. But I really wanted to talk to you further about this. Like have you ever found yourself in a similar situation to mine? etc. Since you people on this site already know my whole story, I HOPE that I can trust you. It really helps to talk to someone I guess. In addition to the fact that we live far apart, the internet is at least slightly impersonal so that makes things even easier, you know? I hope to talk to you soon. Send me a friend request or something. Thanks.
And Ryan, thanks for trying to help me out. I really appreciated it. Besides your interest in me sexually, you seem like a genuinely nice guy. And I’m 24. BUt you should know better than to ask a woman about her age. LMAO. BUt whatever. Anyways, I just hope that you don’t think that I’m some sort of a slut. Like I said before, I’m a former nympho, which means recovered. I’m not like that anymore, you know? So, please don’t hold me to that. Okay. Hopefully I’ll talk to you later.

I can’t stand when someone plagarizes either but it seems like he was using that article to show that incest is a narcissistic behavior to say the least. I don’t think he was implying that Brooke is narcissistic because he keeps stating that he doesnt consider what she did as incest.
I think Ryan was overlooking Brooke’s real problem because he’s way too caught up in arguing his believe. The belief that sex between siblings, parents & cousins equals incest, but sex between stepsiblings, 2nd & 3rd cousins does NOT. Why doesn’t it? For 2 reasons:
(1) Absolutely no risks of down syndrome or genetic birth defects in babies conceived between 2nd & 3rd cousins as well as stepsiblings
(2) Most cases a 2nd & 3rd cousin as well as stepsiblings were not raised together under the same roof since childhood, & have lived separately lives for most of their lives. Therefore, there is little to no risk in the distruption of a family unit.

Basically the incest taboo is wrongly carried over to those situations & circumstances.

Brooke all i’m saying is that if you’re attracted to this guy, see if his attraction is beyond physical. Have a relationship that is fulfilling & something that you can learn & grow from. Once twice separated, it’s not the same…it’s not incest

No you’re not a slut & it really doesn’t matter what i think anyways. I made a joke about being interested you sexually…i mean how could i be? I don’t even know who you really are. Probably not, but you could be some big fat hairy 60 year old guy! LOL. Good luck. Just remember, if you are a sex addict you’re not alone. I watched a documentary on discovery health channel & it’s actually a very common thing & unfortunately on the rise. Sex is a very natural thing & i can’t stand repressive attitudes about it, but it’s also something that can take hold & consume people’s lives just like alcohol or drugs. Sex & lots of it is a good thing when love & consent comes first.

And Rebecca you’re right about the whole plagarism thing. I didn’t think it was any big deal. I could of at least quoted the author like i normally do, but who cares. At least it brings another POV to the real incest freaks on this site (the ones who have sex with their fathers, mothers, kin, siblings)…Brooke isn’t included. She never committed incest. She just may need help with her urges & issue that may cuse her to act out. Again Brooke, you are doing the right thing by looking for advice & help & that should tell you something. You’re a human being just like the rest of us & sound like a good person & i don’t think you’re a slut.
You actually seem pretty down to earth for a girl who lives in the Hamptons.lol.
Anyways, take care of yourself & good luck.
“Keep the power fantastic & may u live 2 see the dawn” - Prince

Hey look at that Rebecca i quoted someone properly!

::Tee-hee:: Nice job, Ryan. Ha Ha. I love Prince. If you had misquoted him I’d've had to hurt you. Anywho, according to what I see Brooke is not a 60 year old bald fat white guy. hehe. How do any of us know that you aren’t? Tom Cruise… that’s what they all say, buddy. Ha ha ha. But whatever. Anywho, yeah Fran I agree with you that sex with 2nd and 3rd cousinsas well as step-siblings and such is not TECHNICALLY incest. However, for people who were raised together and such it may be considered incest. For instance, in some cultures, if a man so much as roughly touches or molests a woman it is considered rape, however in America it is only considered rape if there is some sort of penitration and genital manipulation. What I’m saying is that the definition of incest may vary according to an individual’s culture and/or upbringing. So, to Brooke, maybe just the simple fact that this guy was her cousin, even if she had never met him before in her life, what she did with him was incest. Changing the definition of what happened so that it is not catagorized as incest is simply more justification for what happened. What she needs to do is simply face what happened, incest or not, and accept it for what it was, and then put it behind her. If she keeps on finding ways to justify it, for instance telling herself that despite what she believes it was not incest, then she will be putting herself in denial and will make herself feel even worse. Brooke, you’re a gorgeous woman and you can get plenty of guys out there. If you can allow yourself to accept what happened and move on, then you will be allowing yourself to grow. I mean, I may be a whole 9 years younger than you but, not to sound supercilious in any way, I think I know what I’m talking about. Ha ha. Oh, and I sent you a friend request!
If any of you guys on here have Myspace or Facebook, don’t hesitate to message me. I’d be glad to chat a bit more, ha ha.

Ciao, mis amorettos,
Rebecca

I’m trying not to be so disgusted with myself about what happened with my cousin but, I can’t help the fact that I view it as incest. But, I’m trying to accept it and move on, you know… not be so bothered by it. I don’t think that I’m having those feelings anymore really. And no, Ryan, I’m not a Nympho anymore. lol. I said like three times that I have recovered. lol. But anyway, thanks so much Ryan, Rebecca and Fran for your suggestions. You all helped me out. I’m trying my hardest to accept it and move on, lol. I’m trying. But having poeple to talk to who accept what happened without judging me helps tremendously. Thanks again. Oh and no I’m not an old fat and disgusting white man, Ryan, believe me, I’m just the opposite. See, even the best of us make the worst mistakes. LMAO. That sounded really conceited, LOL.

i use to stay with an aunt of mines.she was young and married. she is my mother’s sister.i had a serious crush on her as she was gorgeous and sexy. i was about ten at the time. some years passed and i still went over sometimes to stay. one day i was jerking in the bathroom and she came in just as i came. i didn’t know what to do.she got hot and held on to my penis. she asked me if my cock could get hard again. a little embarassed i said i don’t know.
she started playing with me and before long i was hard again.she led me to her room and we fucked.
she was good at fucking and my wild fantasy about her came through. i thought that after that she will not do it again. i was most happy when she continued to want me after that. we started a beautiful relationship. the sex was good but we had lots of fun together and were happy to be together. as the months passed we got closer and we fell in love. we went out as lovers and were truly happy. one day she told me that she was pregnant and was not sure if i or her husband was the father. when we checked the time we fucked we realised that her husband was in europe. we were so much in love that she wanted to keep the baby.
her husband did not konw nor did anyone else. she had the baby and told him that it was his. that was about 7 years ago and the child is healthy and normal despite those who say that such children will be abnormal. we continue to share our relationship and it is wonderful. we are deeply in love and will not stop. we don’t see anything wrong with us or what we share. i know that their are others who have sex with their brothers or sisters or aunts, and i know that they have found a sense of filfillment in their relationships. i encourage others to find what makes them happy and
do it. we have and it is the most enjoyable and beautiful experience.

Well Steve…more power to you buddy. Unfortunately, you & your Aunt is cheating on & betraying her husband/your uncle. If they were divorced or something like that, i would have a hard time argue against the relationship since you are both consenting adults even though i personally think there’s something wrong to have an attraction to someone who is not only blood-related but has also established a family like bond since you did know her since you were a child. This is a very selfish act to say the least. It’s oK to find happiness but not at someone else’s expense.

I have a question. A lot of you argue that there’s nothing wrong with incest as long as both parties are consenting adults, right? Well not only do i think that’s still debateable i also have heard stories of young girls anywhere between the ages of preteen to late teens initiate & want sex from their older brothers, fathers, & even mothers. If that is true than there’s clearly no coercion & it proves that young girls may actually become sexual beings before the typical ages of 16-18 yrs old, isn’t a victim, etc. Do you think this situation justifies the incest as being ok? Why or why not?

Just wanted to post that not everybody found this sight because they have thought of incest…I clicked on a newslink and it brought me here….

i have a sister who is about a year older than me.
we were very close growing up and loved each other very much.my parents were good to us but they used to fight like cats and dogs. thay hated each other.my father affairs outside and my mother even though she played virtuous had hot affairs with a a couple close friends.sometime she will come home with no panties and smelling of cum. my sister and i only had each other for comfort.while growing up we slept together in the same bed. while being kids we use to touch each other.it was nice and loving. as we got older we started kissing and touching. sometimes she will masturbate me and i will do her.it was very warm and comforting for us both. we decided to stop it thinking it was wrong, but my good for nothing parents continued fighting like animals.when i was about 16 i had a girlfriend and she 17 had a boyfriend. we were close to them and loved them but the girl just wanted someone to boss and jerk around and the boy just wanted to fuck my sister. well he didnt get a chance to and i dumped the fucking bithch myself.we had other friends who we thought were good and special to us but we wrong. so again we just had us both. when i was hurting she will comfort me and i will do the same for her. one day we home alone and were drinking and dancing.we were having a wonderful time.i felt my love for her so strong and she felt hers for me too. i slowly started touching and carresing my sister’s warm body. she was so beautiful, sexy, hot and loving. i felt it at that moment that she was the one special girl for me. she felt the same for me because she responded to my touch. she kissed my lips with passion and longingness.
i stroked her sweet breasts and up her skirt to her virgin sweetness. she was still a virgin. i undressed her and she took off mines. she had the most gorgeous body i have ever seen. her pussy was so pretty i sucked on it hungrily and she called out my name. we couldn’t explain the deep passion and love we felt for each other. we just made love. it was good and wonderful that i was my sister’s first and i took her virginity. she was opened to me and did everything to please and satisfy me. she did not hold back and neither did i. i have never experienced sex so good as with my sister.we had sex in every position including oral and anal. when we were finished there was no shame or guilt to say run and hide.we talked about what happened and realised that we were in love with each other. that we belong to each other and we can please and satisfy each other emotionally and sexually and that we will not hurt the other like those fucking assholes outthere. we continued to fucked sometimes every day. we moved out of the hell we were living in and got our own place. we both have very respectable jobs.
we live together as lovers and we are very happy. in our hearts we are husband and wife and we live as such. we have peace, happiness, fulfillment and contentment in our lives - something we deserve after going through the fucking shit and hell from our parents and the rest of the fucked up world. we take care of each other.i will not hurt her or leave her and she feels the same about me. there are people who go through the same thing as us. there are those who fall in love with their relatives and i want to say that there is nothing wrong with it. they know what makes them happy and who is really there for them at the end of the day. i think
” THAT IS WHAT REALLY COUNTS “. so to fuck with who say what , we are happy and to those like us make yourself happy.
” you and your happiness are what matters to you, in reality no one gives a fine fuck about you or what you are going through or your happiness. all those fuckers have is their good for nothing fucked up idealistic positions on the matter and they
themselves are living in shit, doing shit and looking for what we have”". so to fuck with them and find what really matters to you.

thanks to steven for understanding and supporting us and wishing you and your aunt great happiness.

And what was the point to give us the details of your sexual relationship with your sister within your little story. You didn’t need to do that to justify the relationship at all…that was meant to do nothing but tittilate yourself & others because more than likely it’s a fantasy (not a reality) that you have about your sister.

Now abviously your parents issues & problems prevented you & your sister from learning how to function in society…meaning communication, openess, trust, compromise, respect so you & your sister took the easy way out & settled for complacency within the only world you most comfortable & familiar with & that is the one you & your sister created for each other as defense mechanism & to cope with the way your parents were. You will continue to weaken the family structure if you do not make relationships outside your family.
That’s if this is even real.

You two should have kids. I heard that cousins having kids have actually very little risks of birth defects but i wonder if that goes for siblings too. Let me know. Thanks

*Bemused smile* It’s sort of interesting that the incest chat has the worst gramatical/spelling errors…

Sure your mom didn’t bang her brother, too?

I don’t think it really matters online. No one speaks the way they write when having a conversation. And that’s what these forums are, conversations.
Anyways,I personally think this article takes the spin & the gray area out of the whole incest, gay marriage, & adultery issues & I am pretty much in agreement with it. Here it is:

April 30, 2003, 9:35 a.m.
The Libertarian Question
Incest, Homosexuality, and Adultery.

Here is a mystery at the heart of the gay-marriage debate. I call it the “libertarian question.” The libertarian question (really a series of questions) goes like this: Why should any form of adult consensual sex be illegal? What rational or compelling interest does the state have in regulating consensual adult sex? More specifically, how does the marriage of two gay men undermine my marriage? Will the fact that two married gay men live next door make me leave my wife? Hardly. So how, then, does gay marriage undermine heterosexual marriage? Why not get the state out of such matters altogether?

The libertarian question is mysterious because, in modern society, we find it difficult to understand the continuing necessity of shared moral standards — and of collective taboos against actions that violate those standards. Traditional societies depend on shared moral sentiments and collective taboos. Modern democracies, for the most part, have rejected these forms of collective morality in favor of an emphasis on personal freedom. Yet the truth is, although their workings are mysterious to us, shared moral codes (and a structure of taboos that guards those codes) can never be entirely dispensed with.

INCEST
Let’s approach the libertarian question about gay marriage from a new angle. The flap over Senator Rick Santorum’s remarks has raised the question of incest. If homosexual sex is declared private, why won’t consensual adult incest fall under the same sort of protection? (In raising this question, Sen. Santorum was simply echoing Justice Byron White’s decision in Bowers v. Hardwick.)

In his very useful exploration of the consensual incest problem, (See “Incest Repellent?” and “Incest Repellent, Continued.”) William Saletan points to a case of incest in which a woman was drawn into a sexual relationship with her uncle while she was still a minor, but continued that relationship as an adult. The woman was found guilty of incest and sentenced to supervised probation. After violating probation (presumably to return to her uncle) she was sentenced to five years in jail. Why should this woman have been jailed?

The prevalence of consensual adult incest is difficult to judge. It may be relatively rare. The deeper problem, of course, is the sexual abuse of children by older family members. The impossibility of real consent, as well as the potential psychological damage in cases of incestuous child abuse, are matters of very serious concern. But incestuous child abuse can obviously be made illegal. What is wrong with consensual adult incest?

Let’s return to the libertarian question. If a man happens to walk around town arm and arm with his adult niece, is that going to make me abuse my teenaged niece? In most cases, probably not. Clearly, however, there is a connection. Our collective horror at incest-even adult incest-acts as a protective barrier against the temptation to incest with minors. The very real dangers of child abuse within families shows us that a significant number of people are potentially susceptible to sexual interest in the children under their control. Our collective taboo on incest, as expressed in our laws, helps to offset that potential temptation.

The mechanism here is embodied in the law, but goes well beyond the mere mechanical workings of the law. The real mechanism is collective and psychological. The law on incest expresses a shared moral value. It is a collective statement. As such, it reinforces a sense of disgust that helps to ward off temptation.

To see the mechanism of our incest taboo at work, imagine a world in which consensual adult incest was legal. Once we see or hear of couples — even a relatively small number — who engage in legal, consensual, adult incestuous relationships, the whole idea of incest with minors becomes thinkable. Preventing incest with minors from becoming thinkable is the purpose of the taboo.

The reason we need an incest taboo is because there is no effective way for the state to protect children from sexual abuse by family members. Children are essentially at the mercy of the adults who care for them. So only by building into adults a psychological mechanism of disgust and horror at incest can society protect children from the psychological harm of abuse by close relatives. The taboo runs deeper than the law itself. Yet the law embodies and reinforces the taboo. Were the law to be eliminated — even for consenting adults only — the taboo on incest with minors would be weakened, or break down-maybe not in all families, or even most, but for far too many.

HOMOSEXUALITY
The taboo against homosexuality works in a similar fashion. But what, exactly, does the taboo on homosexuality protect? There is more than one way to approach that question, but the short answer is: The taboo on homosexuality protects marriage. Or, to look at the same problem from a slightly different angle, the institution of Western marriage, in its most traditional form, has been protected by a many-sided taboo against all sexuality outside of its confines — and against non-procreative sexuality within it. Just as the taboo on incest reduces the temptation to child abuse, the taboo on non-marital and non-reproductive sexuality helps to cement marital unions, and helps prevent acts of adultery that would tear those unions apart.

As an ultimate symbol of sexuality for the sake of pleasure (rather than reproduction) homosexuality has traditionally been taboo. That taboo was embodied and expressed in sodomy laws. Rigorous enforcement of these laws was secondary — and in any case, next to impossible. The important thing was the statement of collective values made by the laws against sodomy. By making homosexuality taboo, the law reinforced the idea that the highest and proper purpose of sexuality itself was to bind and energize families.

Of course, over the last 30 years, the taboo on homosexuality, like the broader taboo on a purely pleasure-seeking sexuality inside and outside the confines of marriage, has substantially broken down. And it’s not surprising that, as a consequence of our changed understanding of sexuality, the rates of divorce and out of wedlock birth have dramatically risen. Of course, at the same time as the divorce rate has risen, the weakening of the old taboos has substantially increased our personal freedom. And our new sexual freedom has benefited no one more than homosexuals, who no longer serve, in nearly the degree they once did, as ultimate symbols of forbidden sexuality.

On balance, I think we as a society have gained much from the weakening of the old sexual taboos, although it is important to keep in mind that we are in fact dealing with a trade-off here. Traditional sexual taboos protect marriage, and their weakening cannot help but weaken marriage — even as they increase personal freedom. But again, on balance, I believe that at least some of the weakening in the old sexual system has been worth the trade-off.

ADULTERY
What we need to understand — but do not — is that gay marriage will undermine the structure of taboos that continue to protect heterosexual marriage — and will do so far more profoundly than either the elimination of sodomy laws, or the general sexual loosening of the past thirty years. Above all, marriage is protected by the ethos of monogamy — and by the associated taboo against adultery. The real danger of gay marriage is that it will undermine the taboo on adultery, thereby destroying the final bastion protecting marriage: the ethos of monogamy.

Gay marriage threatens monogamy in two ways. First, gay marriage threatens monogamy because homosexual couples — particularly male homosexual couples — tend to see monogamy as nonessential, even to the most loyal and committed relationships. Of course, advocates argue that legal gay marriage will change all that — that marriage will make gays more monogamous. But it is just as likely (indeed, far more likely) that the effect will go in the other direction — openly non-monogamous married gay couples will break the connection between marriage and monogamy. (For more on this, see the NRO Gay-Marriage Debate, particularly my, “Point of No Return.”)

Even more powerfully, gay marriage threatens monogamy through its tendency to lead, on a slippery slope, to the legalization of polygamy and polyamory. (For more on this, see my Commentary article, “What Is Wrong With Gay Marriage.”

It’s important to understand what the danger of openly non-monogamous gay marriages, and of legalized polygamy and polyamory, really is. The key problem here is not, say, that polygamous marriages are unfair or exploitative to women. (That is a legitimate concern, of course, but it is not the greatest social danger posed by legalized polygamy.) The real problem is the effect of openly non-monogamous gay unions, and of legalized polygamy and polyamory, on the ethos of monogamy.

Even in the wake of the sexual-cultural changes of the Sixties, there is still a strong consensus in our society that marriage means monogamy. That consensus is expressed in the taboo on adultery. Legal recognition for group marriage, and for openly non-monogamous gay unions, would effectively destroy the taboo on adultery. That doesn’t meant that everyone would instantly go out and commit adultery — any more than everyone exposed to legal incestuous unions between consenting adults would engage in child abuse. But there would be a significant social effect — and it would be over and above the weakening of marriage that has already occurred in the wake of the changes since the Sixties.

The libertarian asks, Just because two married gay men live next door, is that going to make me leave my wife? In a way, the answer is “Yes.” For one thing, as a new generation grows up exposed to gay couples who openly define their marriages in non-monogamous terms, the concept of marriage itself will gradually change. No doubt, movies and television in a post-gay-marriage world will be filled with stories of the “cutting edge” understandings of open marriage being pioneered by the new gay couples, even if the actual number of such married gay couples is relatively small.

A large segment of the gay community looks forward to gay marriage for precisely this reason. Many thoughtful gay activists see same-sex marriage as a chance to redefine marriage itself — stripping marriage of what they see as its outdated and constricting connection to monogamy. And of course, even more powerfully than openly non-monogamous gay marriages, legalized group marriage would destroy the taboo against adultery. (Lot’s of potential for movies and TV there.)

Still, the libertarian asks, Would the group marriage next door really make me leave my wife? Maybe not. Of course, the married commune next door might invite the two of you over for some fun, with potentially problematic results for your marriage. But even that is not the real problem. The deeper difficulty is simply the breaking of the taboo on adultery. Sodomy laws were barely enforced, yet they made a collective statement about social attitudes toward non-marital and non-reproductive sexuality. Similarly, incest laws are rarely invoked. Yet their existence reinforces the horror of incest, and helps prevent the sort of violations that make incestuous temptation thinkable.

So the mere social statement that marriage does not mean monogamy is where the real danger of legalized gay-marriage and polyamory lie. And the collapse of consensus about shared social institutions really does effect us as individuals. Once we as a society no longer take it for granted that marriage means monogamy, you may not decide to leave your wife. But you may be more likely to give in to the temptation of an affair. And that could mean the end of your marriage, whether that’s what you wanted going into the affair or not. (For another way of looking at this problem, see my, “Code of Honor,” where I compare the operation of the taboo against adultery to the working of a college’s anti-cheating honor code.)

As with the taboos on incest and sodomy, society can’t enforce the taboo on adultery with laws. Laws on matters of sexual conduct do make a difference, but less as enforcement mechanisms than as embodiments of common values. Precisely because the state cannot monitor and prosecute adultery, society writes a taboo against the practice into our hearts. The laws of marriage as currently constituted embody and express that taboo. Transform those laws, and the taboo will disappear.

The ongoing need for shared social understandings on matters pertaining to the family and sexuality does not fit neatly into the libertarian playbook. Social and sexual taboos are the stuff of traditional societies. But the truth is, so long as we live, not merely as isolated individuals, but in families together, we shall be in need of social and sexual taboos.

If the controversy over Senator Rick Santorum’s remarks has made it possible to openly discuss the real basis of our shared social and sexual understandings, then it will have done some good. Unlike Sen. Santorum, I would rather accept some disruption in family stability than go back to the days when homosexuality itself was deeply tabooed. The increase in freedom and fairness is worth it. Yet there has been a terrible social cost for the changes of the sixties. We need to mitigate those costs. And we certainly do not need to risk the destruction of an already weakened family system by radically undermining the ethos of monogamy.

Gay marriage would set in motion a series of threats to the ethos of monogamy from which the institution of marriage may never recover. Yet up to now, our society has been unable to face the real costs and consequences of the proposed change. That is partly because of an understandable sympathy for the gay-rights movement. But it also reflects the sheer inability of modern folk to grasp the operation, necessity — or even the existence — of the system of moral consensus and prohibition upon which society itself depends.

— Stanley Kurtz is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University

This guy obviously did his research & I couldn’t of said it better myself.
What do you guys think?

I myself have had a very different experience as far as GSA goes. At a very young age I was sexually abused forced to perform indecent acts on more than one family member, this carried on for a number of years. Not at any time did I enjoy any part of this. It took me many years to recover from sexual abuse and to finally get my life in order or so I thought. I meet a man I love deeply whom I have been with for 25 yrs and had children etc.

Anyway over a yr ago my husband and I meet his half sister for the very first time anyway to cut along story short my husband and I both moved into her home with her( his sister) and her two young children. It seemed like we were all getting along ok or so I thought.

After a few weeks I began to notice that she(his sister) seemed to be going out her way to do things for him laundry cooking for him etc, then it started to develop into deep personal discussions around sex. she would openly discuss another mans penis and tell my husband what she liked as far as sex goes. She would often tell my husband that she had better breasts than some of the women she worked with and discribe the other womens breasts, she had worked in a strip bar as a barlady.

Anyway about 5mths after moving in with her it happened. My husband and his sister had been drinking quietly at home just getting to know each other and discussing there childhood backgrounds you know just getting to know each other or so I thought. During this time I noticed strange things developing, she would bend over in front of him and allow him to see down her shirt, you know all those flirting things a person does when one is trying to score. during this time they were both whispering quietly. I questioned what it was they were both up to and they both said that they were just talking. So I left it at that safe with the knowing that they were brother and sister and nothing would happen sexually. I retired to bed and had left them alone to carry on drinking and chatting and laughing. An hour or so later i noticed things were quiet, I innocently thought oh well they must of passed out, so I decided to go and check thinking that I probably have to drag my husband to bed. Anyway moving on when I opened the door to where I had left the both of them chatting, It just blew me of the face of this earth literally. I caught them both kissing she had his fly down and was masturbating him and he was all over her, as they were so engrossed in each other they were not aware that I was in the room, during this short period of time I heard with my own ears them both ask each other if they can fuck each other, seeing with my own eyes and hearing exactly what they wanted to do to, and with each other sickened me.
I suppose you’re wondering what the reaction was from them both after they had been caught with there hands in the cookie jar. Well they are very lucky believe me that I had studied to be a counsellor so I know what to do to prevent a volatile situation. I made a noise to alert them to the fact that I was in the room. They both looked at me, guilty as charged but both of them came up with excuses as to there actions like dancing was one excuse, yeah right. But with both of them drinking I knew as a counsellor that it would be a very volatile situation if accusations started to fly.
And Believe me it wasn’t easy for me to hold it in. That night I never slept, they both retired to their own beds ALONE. The following morning I confronted my husband about it all at first he tryed to deny it. He said he didn’t remember any of it. And that that was his sister. My husband approached his sister and asked her what happened and she played it down told him nothing happened it wasn’t until my husband told his sister that I saw them, then she panicked and ran out of the house and I never seen or heard from her again. My husband and I have both moved to a different state in the hope that we can selvage what is left of a very fragile relationship.

The mixed emotions inside of me played havoc and I admit that the thought of doing them both harm while they were asleep did definately cross my mind.
The trauma of this incident has effected me in a way I never thought possible. It bought back many memories and feelings of my own sexual abuse, and many times I have felt dirty and disgusted when my husband touches me.
There have been on occasions when I have physically attacked my husband because of his act.
It has been over a year since this act was performed and my husband keeps telling me that he see’s nothing wrong with what happened between himself and his sister, I do have to add that he does feel guilty, but for me he minimises it all by saying she is only a half sister as if its okay, this still plays havoc with my emotions.
I am really trying to wrap my brain around this and trying not to be judgemental of him or others, but to maybe find answers or even try to understand how a brother and sister could have those sort of feelings towards each other.
I know if I understand it them I can forgive but until then I feel like I am stuck in a whirlwind of emotions. I accidentily stumbled on to this sight when I was searching for the effects of infidelity.
My Husband says he doesn’t have feelings towards his sister and I am not sure whether to believe him at this point.

Oh my husband was aware that his sister felt something towards him but was not sure what he said in his mind that they were brother and sister. so he put all those type of thoughts out of his mind.

All I wish to do is find some answers that might be able to help us both selvage our marriage. My husband is also having real difficulty understanding what he did and that type of attraction with his sister feeling mixed emotions guilty for his actions and many more things.

So if anyone might be able to share their views constructive views that is, what I am looking for is someone who can help me and my husband understand that type of attracion and how to get through the melting pot of emotions.

And no I don’t need a counsellor I get through it by understanding then and